Vantage Point Financial LLC Portfolio
Invests via Vantage Point Financial LLC | Managed by Nicholas J. Reiland, Timothy M. Kuntz
Invests via Vantage Point Financial LLC
Managed by Nicholas J. Reiland, Timothy M. Kuntz
Automatically Tracked
Company Profile
A boutique wealth manager and SEC-registered investment adviser, Vantage Point Financial LLC focuses on wealth management, financial planning and fiduciary investment advisory for high-net-worth individuals and small institutions. The firm deploys discretionary portfolio management across diversified fixed income and equity strategies, emphasizes fee-based advisory relationships and positions itself as a regional, client-centric capital allocator.
A boutique wealth manager and SEC-registered investment adviser, Vantage Point Financial LLC focuses on wealth management, financial planning and fiduciary investment advisory for high-net-worth individuals and small institutions. The firm deploys discretionary portfolio management across diversified fixed income and equity strategies, emphasizes fee-based advisory relationships and positions itself as a regional, client-centric capital allocator.
Investment Philosophy & Strategy
A boutique wealth manager and SEC-registered investment adviser, Vantage Point Financial LLC focuses on wealth management, financial planning and fiduciary investment advisory for high-net-worth individuals and small institutions. The firm deploys discretionary portfolio management across diversified fixed income and equity strategies, emphasizes fee-based advisory relationships and positions itself as a regional, client-centric capital allocator.
A boutique wealth manager and SEC-registered investment adviser, Vantage Point Financial LLC focuses on wealth management, financial planning and fiduciary investment advisory for high-net-worth individuals and small institutions. The firm deploys discretionary portfolio management across diversified fixed income and equity strategies, emphasizes fee-based advisory relationships and positions itself as a regional, client-centric capital allocator.
Disclaimer: This Portfolio is derived from and computed based on publicly available data from SEC filings.
Gain and growth charts are calculated per selected timeframe:
34.85%
Gain +1.72%
Monthly
1.51%
Yearly
19.66%
Drawdown
15.76%
$330.46M
Equity
Holdings
$330.46M
Investment
$270.31M
$64.21M
Profit +$4.02M
Realized
$4.06M
Unrealized
$60.14M
Dividends
$6.77M
Goals
Avg. 61% completed goals
Yearly
Gain > 5% 2026
Yearly
Gain < 20% 2026
Today
Compared To Yesterday
Gain
1.72%
Profit
$4.02M
Win %
76%
This Week
Compared To Last Week
Gain
1.23%
Profit
$4.02M
Win %
76%
This Month
Compared to last month
Gain
2.5%
Profit
$8.05M
Win %
76%
This Year
Compared to last year
Gain
1.09%
Profit
$3.58M
Win %
76%
SNDK SanDisk Corporation
+7.39%
+$12,430 
AMD Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
+6.5%
+$33,105.9 
GLW Corning Incorporated
+4.7%
+$6,943.42 
WDC Western Digital Corporation
+4.41%
+$8,130.77 
ONCY Oncolytics Biotech Inc.
+3.75%
+$892.32 
MU Micron Technology, Inc.
+2.3%
+$21,044.07 
JCI Johnson Controls International plc
+1.45%
+$3,258.72 
CEG Constellation Energy Corporation
+1.39%
+$3,497.15 
IXC iShares Global Energy ETF
+1.2%
+$11,532.04 
CVX Chevron Corporation
+1.16%
+$2,838.2 
RTX RTX Corporation
+1.13%
+$2,875.95 
MO Altria Group, Inc.
+0.95%
+$2,667.85 
XOM Exxon Mobil Corporation
+0.94%
+$6,618.62 
ROK Rockwell Automation, Inc.
+0.87%
+$2,624.79 
SHLD Global X Defense Tech ETF
+0.77%
+$10,436.04 
TSLA Tesla, Inc.
+0.68%
+$4,312.77 
GLD SPDR Gold Shares
+0.63%
+$2,620.82 
IAU iShares Gold Trust
+0.61%
+$2,108.5 
SLV iShares Silver Trust
+0.55%
+$3,234.56 
IJR iShares Core S&P Small-Cap ETF
+0.48%
+$1,988.64 
DFAT Dimensional US Targeted Value ETF
+0.46%
+$19,776.9 
DISV Dimensional International Small Cap Equity Fund
+0.45%
+$4,753.02 
C Citigroup Inc.
+0.43%
+$1,039.2 
BAI iShares A.I. Innovation and Tech Active ETF
+0.43%
+$7,768.8 
DFSV Dimensional US Small Cap Value ETF
+0.39%
+$32,687.84 
SPMO Invesco S&P 500 Momentum ETF
+0.39%
+$1,554.06 
USB U.S. Bancorp
+0.38%
+$1,120.75 
MTUM iShares MSCI USA Momentum Factor ETF
+0.37%
+$3,007.8 
DFAS Dimensional U.S. Small Cap ETF
+0.37%
+$12,121.93 
ALL Allstate Corporation
+0.36%
+$1,303.85 
IJH iShares Core S&P Mid-Cap ETF
+0.32%
+$1,341.5 
DFAR Dimensional US Real Estate ETF
+0.3%
+$4,043.2 
DFIV Dimensional International Value ETF
+0.29%
+$5,897.3 
VBR VANGUARD SMALL-CAP VALUE ETF
+0.26%
+$1,038.18 
VB Vanguard Small-Cap ETF
+0.24%
+$1,106.25 
CAT Caterpillar Inc.
+0.23%
+$12,273.29 
AAPL Apple Inc.
+0.22%
+$15,410 
MRK Merck & Co., Inc.
+0.21%
+$820.99 
MCD McDonald's Corporation
+0.21%
+$1,409.38 
DFUV Dimensional US Marketwide Value ETF
+0.21%
+$696.48 
VTV Vanguard Value ETF
+0.2%
+$1,362.94 
PG Procter & Gamble Co
+0.2%
+$1,573.59 
DFLV Dimensional US Large Cap Value ETF
+0.19%
+$6,668 
KAPR Innovator U.S. Small Cap Power Buffer ETF
+0.17%
+$545.84 
KDEC INN US Small Cap Beta ETF
+0.17%
+$396.24 
KJAN Innovator U.S. Small Cap Power Buffer ETF January
+0.15%
+$494.9 
VBK Vanguard Small-Cap Growth ETF
+0.15%
+$331.02 
DFGR Dimensional Global Real Estate ETF
+0.14%
+$2,322.56 
DFIC Dimensional International Core Equity Market ETF
+0.13%
+$19,355.15 
MDLZ Mondelez International, Inc.
+0.13%
+$312 
JAJL Innovator EDP ETF - 6M January/July
+0.12%
+$363.16 
SPYV SPDR Portfolio S&P 500 Value ETF
+0.11%
+$286.02 
EJAN Innovator Emerging Markets Power Buffer ETF
+0.08%
+$216.97 
EFV iShares MSCI EAFE Value ETF
+0.07%
+$159.96 
DTD WisdomTree U.S. Total Dividend Fund
+0.07%
+$215.8 
DFAI Dimensional International Core Equity Market ETF
+0.07%
+$2,559.39 
PSEP Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF
+0.06%
+$180.57 
VEA VANGUARD FTSE DEVELOPED MARKETS ETF
+0.05%
+$635 
IOCT Innovator International Developed Power Buffer ETF – October
+0.05%
+$195.97 
KOCT Innovator U.S. Small Cap Power Buffer ETF – October
+0.05%
+$143.11 
DFAX Dimensional World ex U.S. Core Equity 2 ETF
+0.05%
+$3,967.2 
PMAY Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF - May
+0.05%
+$126.81 
BSCR Invesco BulletShares 2027 Corporate Bond ETF
+0.05%
+$486.54 
NJAN Innovator Growth 100 Power Buffer ETF - January
+0.05%
+$98.67 
BSJQ Invesco BulletShares 2026 High Yield Corporate Bond ETF
+0.04%
+$610.25 
PMAR Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF
+0.04%
+$572.5 
SPDW SPDR Portfolio Developed World ex-US ETF
+0.04%
+$161.84 
IVE ISHARES S&P 500 VALUE ETF
+0.03%
+$1,149.54 
IAPR Innovator International Developed Power Buffer ETF
+0.03%
+$116.36 
ZALT Innovator U.S. Equity 10% Buffer ETF
+0.03%
+$98.15 
USEP Innovator U.S. Equity Ultra ETF
+0.02%
+$51.04 
POCT Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF - October
+0.02%
+$282.73 
TFLO iShares Treasury Floating Rate Bond ETF
+0.02%
+$895.29 
USFR WisdomTree Floating Rate Treasury Fund
+0.02%
+$640.97 
EJUL Innovator Emerging Markets Power Buffer ETF - July
+0.02%
+$46.79 
UFEB Innovator U.S. Equity Ultra ETF
+0.01%
+$37.41 
TSMWF Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited
0%
$0 
BALT Inn Defined Wealth Shield Mutual Fund
0%
$0 
BSCQ Invesco BulletShares 2026 Corporate Bond ETF
0%
$0 
DFAC Dimensional U.S. Core Equity 2 ETF
0%
$0 
PDEC Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF - December
0%
$0 
PJAN Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF - January
0%
$0 
SPTS SPDR Portfolio Short Term Treasury ETF
0%
$0 ZNOV
ZNOV
0%
$0 HIMU
HIMU
0%
$0 
AVGO Broadcom Inc.
-5.94%
-$34,563.39 
AMAT Applied Materials, Inc.
-5.12%
-$51,983.98 
OKLO Oklo Inc.
-4.46%
-$43,815.69 
PLTR Palantir Technologies Inc.
-2.78%
-$33,845.71 
KLAC KLA Corporation
-2.7%
-$5,056.75 
LLY Eli Lilly and Company
-2.38%
-$35,069.4 
INTC Intel Corporation
-1.97%
-$8,798.26 
CSCO Cisco Systems, Inc.
-1.58%
-$5,063.91 
LRCX Lam Research Corporation
-1.38%
-$3,994.37 
NSC Norfolk Southern Corporation
-1.02%
-$2,291.05 
AMZN Amazon.com Inc
-0.94%
-$29,365.8 
DNN Denison Mines Corp.
-0.92%
-$558.66 
META Meta Platforms Inc Class A
-0.86%
-$6,067.19 
JNJ Johnson & Johnson
-0.66%
-$5,362.93 
MOAT VanEck Morningstar Wide Moat Fund
-0.59%
-$16,893.38 
BRK-B Berkshire Hathaway Inc.
-0.57%
-$4,509.5 
TLH iShares 10-20 Year Treasury Bond ETF
-0.56%
-$1,240.92 
ABBV AbbVie Inc.
-0.54%
-$1,961.12 
VIG Vanguard Dividend Appreciation ETF
-0.5%
-$1,418.19 
MS Morgan Stanley
-0.47%
-$1,040.4 
DFGX Dimensional Global ex US Core Fixed Income Fund
-0.44%
-$24,534.23 
VUG Vanguard Growth ETF
-0.43%
-$3,789.24 
BNDX Vanguard Total International Bond ETF
-0.4%
-$1,596 
IVW ISHARES S&P 500 GROWTH ETF (3IS8)
-0.39%
-$9,593.75 
WMT Walmart Inc.
-0.39%
-$2,420.55 
SPYG SPDR Portfolio S&P 500 Growth ETF
-0.39%
-$8,450.88 
VWO Vanguard FTSE Emerging Markets ETF
-0.38%
-$1,117.34 
DGCB Dimensional Global Credit Fund
-0.38%
-$21,114.66 
LMUB iShares Long-Term National Muni Bond ETF
-0.37%
-$2,629.03 
NULG Nuveen ESG Large-Cap Growth ETF
-0.37%
-$1,191.9 
V Visa Inc. Class A
-0.36%
-$1,115.42 
VGT Vanguard Information Technology ETF
-0.35%
-$960.62 
IALT iShares Systematic Alternatives Active ETF
-0.34%
-$1,151.19 
DFGP Dimensional Global Core Fixed Income Fund
-0.34%
-$6,191.62 
VMBS Vanguard Mortgage-Backed Securities Fund
-0.32%
-$797.7 
MBB iShares MBS ETF
-0.31%
-$1,041.97 
NUDM Nuveen ESG International Developed Markets Equity Fund
-0.3%
-$750.75 
MSFT Microsoft Corp.
-0.3%
-$6,075.44 
MUB iShares National Muni Bond ETF
-0.28%
-$7,791.3 
GOVT iShares U.S. Treasury Bond ETF
-0.27%
-$941.22 
SNA Snap-on Inc.
-0.26%
-$777.89 
DFCF Dimensional Core Fixed Income ETF
-0.26%
-$14,835.26 
DFEM Dimensional Emerging Markets Core Equity 2 ETF
-0.25%
-$17,418.4 
CB Chubb Limited
-0.25%
-$1,681.28 
BND Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund
-0.23%
-$538.56 
AVEM Avantis Emerging Markets Equity ETF
-0.22%
-$681.66 
DEHP Dimensional Emerging Markets High Profitability ETF
-0.22%
-$1,470.51 
BOTZ Global X Robotics & Artificial Intelligence ETF
-0.21%
-$476 
DUHP Dimensional US High Profitability ETF
-0.21%
-$7,956.9 
OMFL Invesco Russell 1000 Dynamic Multifactor ETF
-0.21%
-$1,181.25 
SPY SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust
-0.2%
-$890.1 
IJUL Innovator International Developed Power Buffer ETF
-0.19%
-$812.36 
VOO Vanguard S&P 500 ETF
-0.19%
-$7,037.79 
SPYM State Street SPDR Portfolio S&P 500 ETF
-0.19%
-$18,002.49 
IVV iShares Core S&P 500 ETF
-0.18%
-$973.82 
XDQQ Innovator Growth 100 Accelerated ETF
-0.17%
-$701.91 
DFUS Dimensional U.S. Equity Market ETF
-0.17%
-$10,689.01 
DFAE Dimensional Emerging Core Equity Market ETF
-0.15%
-$2,419.74 
DYNF iShares U.S. Equity Factor Rotation Active ETF
-0.14%
-$5,206.6 
QQQ Invesco QQQ Trust, Series 1
-0.14%
-$2,492 
GOOGL Alphabet Inc
-0.13%
-$3,202.06 
DFNM Dimensional National Municipal Bond ETF
-0.12%
-$518.88 
IEMG iShares Core MSCI Emerging Markets ETF
-0.12%
-$1,481.6 
BSJT Invesco BulletShares 2029 High Yield Fund
-0.12%
-$809.33 
VTI VANGUARD TOTAL STOCK MKT ETF
-0.12%
-$951.26 
GOOG Alphabet Inc
-0.12%
-$2,978.73 
IJAN Innovator International Developed Power Buffer ETF - January
-0.12%
-$536.79 
IWX iShares Russell Top 200 Value ETF
-0.12%
-$572.91 
MUNI PIMCO Intermediate Municipal Bond Active Exchange-Traded Fund
-0.12%
-$426.6 
NULV Nuveen ESG Large-Cap Value ETF
-0.11%
-$301.5 
PJUL Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF July
-0.1%
-$1,942.4 
DFVX Dimensional US Large Cap Vector ETF
-0.09%
-$953.24 
VT Vanguard Total World Stock ETF
-0.09%
-$6,803.86 
DFSD Dimensional Short-Duration Fixed Income ETF
-0.08%
-$6,732.92 
COST Costco Wholesale Corporation
-0.08%
-$163.5 
JPM JPMorgan Chase & Co.
-0.07%
-$403.91 
DFAU Dimensional US Core Equity Market ETF
-0.07%
-$3,135.08 
DFEV Dimensional Emerging Markets Value ETF
-0.07%
-$1,515.27 
THRO iShares U.S. Thematic Rotation Active ETF
-0.07%
-$842.61 
NVDA NVIDIA Corporation
-0.06%
-$4,085.9 
BSJR Invesco Bulletshares 2027 High Yield Fund
-0.06%
-$567.77 
BSCT Invesco BulletShares 2029 Corporate Bond ETF
-0.05%
-$382.05 
EALT Bear Family of Funds, Inc.
-0.05%
-$166.18 
CORO Ishares International Country Rotational Active ETF
-0.05%
-$2,586.48 
NJUL Innovator Growth 100 Power Buffer ETF
-0.05%
-$119.52 
IWD iShares Russell 1000 Value ETF
-0.05%
-$226.72 
BSCS Invesco BulletShares 2028 Corporate Bond ETF
-0.05%
-$437.3 
UOCT Innovator U.S. Equity Ultra Fund
-0.05%
-$303.08 
SUB iShares Short-Term National Muni Bond ETF
-0.05%
-$595.2 
BSJS Invesco BulletShares 2028 High Yield Fund
-0.05%
-$423.62 
UAUG Innovator U.S. Equity Ultra Fund
-0.05%
-$238.22 
ISTB iShares Core 1-5 Year USD Bond ETF
-0.04%
-$445.88 
PFE Pfizer Inc.
-0.04%
-$214.06 
BFRZ Innovator Equity Managed 100 Buffer ETF
-0.04%
-$117.66 
PAPR Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF April
-0.04%
-$474.84 
NOCT Innovator Growth-100 Power Buffer ETF
-0.02%
-$65.55 
DCOR Dimensional US Core Equity 1 ETF
-0.02%
-$5,684.22 
XDSQ Innovator U.S. Equity Accelerated Quarterly Fund
-0.02%
-$118.68 
PAUG Innovator U.S. Equity Power Buffer ETF - August
-0.02%
-$95.55 
DIHP Dimensional International High Profitability Portfolio
-0.01%
-$140.79 Events
Loading...
Dividends
Dividend Analysis
Loading...
No Data
| Trades 1003 | Longs Won 758/1003 75% | Profit Factor 18.11 |
| Profitability | Shorts Won 0/0 0% | Standard Deviation $375,987.71 |
| Average Win $89,653.58 | Best Trade (Aug 15) $8.81M | Sharpe Ratio -57.89 |
| Average Loss -$15,312.35 | Worst Trade (Jun 29) -$1.3M | Z-Score 18.93 (100%) |
| Commissions $0 | Avg. Trade Length 10m 1w 5d | Expectancy $64,014.22 |
| Loss Size | 100% | 90% | 80% | 70% | 60% | 50% | 40% | 30% | 20% | 10% |
| Probability of Loss | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% | <0.01% |
| Consecutive Losing Trades | 21,739 | 19,565 | 17,391 | 15,217 | 13,043 | 10,870 | 8,696 | 6,522 | 4,348 | 2,174 |
Hover over the desired column for a detailed explanation.
Returns
Overall, Monthly| Symbol | Quantity | Cost | Value | Comm. | Profit ($) | Gain (%) | Change |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AAPL Apple Inc. | 23,000 | $5.76M | $7.04M | - | $1.28M | 22.19% | +0.219% |
| ABBV AbbVie Inc. | 1,442 | $268,961.15 | $359,721.33 | - | $90,760.18 | 33.74% | -0.542% |
| ALL Allstate Corporation | 1,402 | $272,908.4 | $366,496.82 | - | $93,588.42 | 34.29% | +0.357% |
| AMAT Applied Materials, Inc. | 1,900 | $361,182.76 | $963,641.98 | - | $602,459.22 | 166.8% | -5.118% |
| AMD Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. | 1,055 | $229,606.08 | $542,681.46 | - | $313,075.38 | 136.35% | +6.497% |
| AMZN Amazon.com Inc | 11,841 | $2.58M | $3.11M | - | $532,658.15 | 20.67% | -0.935% |
| AVEM Avantis Emerging Markets Equity ETF | 3,246 | $313,207 | $304,020.36 | - | -$9,186.64 | -2.93% | -0.224% |
| AVGO Broadcom Inc. | 1,392 | $465,049.77 | $547,042.07 | - | $81,992.3 | 17.63% | -5.943% |
| BAI iShares A.I. Innovation and Tech Active ETF | 38,844 | $1.27M | $1.82M | - | $547,038.15 | 43.08% | +0.429% |
| BALT Inn Defined Wealth Shield Mutual Fund | 24,672 | $811,996.07 | $857,105.28 | - | $45,109.21 | 5.56% | 0.0 |
| BFRZ Innovator Equity Managed 100 Buffer ETF | 11,766 | $311,508.75 | $320,811.76 | - | $9,303.01 | 2.99% | -0.037% |
| BND Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund | 3,168 | $229,799.35 | $229,078.08 | - | -$721.27 | -0.31% | -0.235% |
| BNDX Vanguard Total International Bond ETF | 8,400 | $411,647.03 | $400,848 | - | -$10,799.03 | -2.62% | -0.397% |
| BOTZ Global X Robotics & Artificial Intelligence ETF | 5,950 | $190,307.85 | $224,553 | - | $34,245.15 | 17.99% | -0.212% |
| BRK-B Berkshire Hathaway Inc. | 1,555 | $737,369.89 | $783,766.65 | - | $46,396.76 | 6.29% | -0.572% |
| BSCQ Invesco BulletShares 2026 Corporate Bond ETF | 54,688 | $1.06M | $1.07M | - | $6,823.61 | 0.64% | 0.0 |
| BSCR Invesco BulletShares 2027 Corporate Bond ETF | 48,654 | $948,338.11 | $956,294.37 | - | $7,956.26 | 0.84% | +0.051% |
| BSCS Invesco BulletShares 2028 Corporate Bond ETF | 43,730 | $881,169.05 | $891,654.7 | - | $10,485.65 | 1.19% | -0.049% |
| BSCT Invesco BulletShares 2029 Corporate Bond ETF | 38,205 | $706,557.96 | $709,657.87 | - | $3,099.91 | 0.44% | -0.054% |
| BSJQ Invesco BulletShares 2026 High Yield Corporate Bond ETF | 61,025 | $1.42M | $1.4M | - | -$20,996.12 | -1.48% | +0.044% |
No Data
Option values are updated at end of day.
No Data
No Data
Option values are updated at end of day.
No Data
No Data
No Data
No Data
FAQ
Which stocks have generated the highest profits for Vantage Point Financial LLC?
The largest contributions to the portfolio's profits come from the following stocks: Dimensional International Core Equity Market ETF - $980,541.74, SPDR Gold MiniShares Trust - $723,400.84, Dimensional US Core Equity 1 ETF - $669,093.41, iShares Core MSCI Emerging Markets ETF - $554,281.12, and Dimensional U.S. Core Equity 2 ETF - $530,690.35. These positions have been the main drivers of growth and have significantly impacted the investor's overall performance.
Which stocks have generated the largest losses for this investor?
The largest losses in the portfolio are associated with the following stocks: Inotiv Inc - $1.3M, Bitwise Bitcoin ETF - $85,026.61, Oracle Corporation - $79,648.86, CME Group Inc - $51,783.83, and Northrop Grumman Corporation - $50,993.22. These positions have had the most negative impact on overall performance and highlight the weaker areas of the portfolio.
What dividends does Vantage Point Financial LLC's portfolio generate?
The portfolio generates substantial dividend income, with a total of $6.77M earned over time. The largest contributors to dividend income include Dimensional International Core Equity Market ETF - $534,190.19, Dimensional U.S. Core Equity 2 ETF - $530,690.35, Dimensional Short-Duration Fixed Income ETF - $425,587.2, WisdomTree Floating Rate Treasury Fund - $376,819.89, and Dimensional Core Fixed Income ETF - $322,892.61. This indicates that dividends play a meaningful role in the investor's overall strategy.
How stable are Vantage Point Financial LLC's monthly returns?
Vantage Point Financial LLC's monthly returns show a mixed pattern. Some months are relatively calm, while others are noticeably stronger or weaker, which suggests that performance is not fully consistent over time. This points to a strategy that may offer attractive upside but can also experience uneven short-term results.
Can Vantage Point Financial LLC's strategy be considered aggressive or moderate?
Vantage Point Financial LLC's strategy leans toward a moderately conservative profile. While there is still some exposure to market fluctuations, the overall structure and risk levels suggest a focus on maintaining stability rather than pursuing aggressive growth.
Should beginners follow Vantage Point Financial LLC's strategy?
Vantage Point Financial LLC's strategy may be suitable for beginners, but with some caution. While the overall approach is not overly complex, it still involves a certain level of risk and variability. Beginners should be prepared for occasional fluctuations and ensure they understand the strategy before trying to follow it.
